jimerickson Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 My curiosity has been peaked about the I/S installation on Ult 1 machines. I searched all the machine for sale listings here on the forum, and only found mention of one I/S equipped Ult 1, and that wasn't really the listing, only chatter about one. Either there haven't been many conversions, or anyone who has had it done has no desire to part with their up-graded machine. I had hoped to see a photo of an I/S equipped machine. None here. Any way what I'm curious about is whether the original APQS motor was replaced during the up-grade. I also wonder if there was a difference if the machine was originally equipped with single stitch or not. I would appreciate information from any of you that have had the conversion done. For that matter, I'd like to hear from anyone who bought an I/S equipped Ult 1. What motor does it have? My I/S equipped Ult 2 has a Groschopp motor. The original motors on the Ult 1 and Ult 2 were different. Was a Groschopp used on your conversion, or was the original motor used? Thanks for helping me with my education. LOL Jim BTW, I learned from the search that some ( I assume the early ones) Ult 1's were equipped with vertical wheels, and came on wooden tables. I didn't know that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherylannie Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 I would go to the intellistitch website and ask them your questions. They have some pics of a machine equipped with intellistitch but it is not an apqs. You would see basically what it looks like though. They do require that you purchase edgerider wheels. My ultimate I came with a metal table not wooden and it was the original table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningThreads Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 Jim Yes the motor gets changed to the Groschopp on the I/S installation. My machine had the single stitch but all the APQS electrics come off and the machine is rewired. The list is something like this: New on/off switches front and back New single stitch switch front and back New motor and belt (timing belt not changed) X/Y encoders added Thread cutter if equipped stays with new switch centre on I/S panel Flourescent light stays new switch Power switch and speed control removed and replaced. New rear and top covers. My set up will look almost the same as yours except the third switch on the I/S panel for the thread cutter. I already had the M&M wheels so the edgeriders were not needed. Because I had the single stitch I was abe to have the IQ without I/S. As far as the lack of upgraded APQS machines for sale I think most are happy. I am sure the G brand machine was more common and so more were converted. Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimerickson Posted December 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Thanks Nigel. I was curious. The center switch that controls your thread cutter is used for the horizontal channel lock on the Gammill Classic I have. I was thinking that the Ult 1 conversion would fit on an XX, but decided that maybe there is a complete wiring harness that goes with the set up, and if so, it would be too short for the big machine. I like the vertical wheels on the XX, and the real old Ult 1's. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningThreads Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Actually a couple close to me has an XX and has been in touch with Zoltan about adding the I/S. They were here to check out the I/S on my machine. It sounds like they will have to take their unit to Ohio to get the install done as nobody wants to come up here. I guess I was lucky to get Helen and Tony before they retired. I don't think there is much of a wiring harness that is machine specific some of the existing wiring is repurposed and new is run where needed. Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Baczynski Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 I was going to jump in and reply here but Nigel has given you all the information, Jim. We added I/S to lots of Ult I's over the years. If either of you, Nigel or Jim (or anyone else for that matter), want to become I/S installers, I'm sure Zoltan and Barna would welcome you. For a few years there weren't many installations, but during the year before we retired, we installed as many I/S's as iQ's. (the interest seemed to return when I made the videos. I didn't think they'd have such an effect.) I think there are many older machines out there that are still mechanically sound and adding I/S is a worthwhile option. All APQS machines get new motors. Gammills tend to have the Grischopp motor, but if they have a Leeson, it gets changed too. Helen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 Curious.....slightly off topic I have been told that there really is no need to put I/S if you have I/Q. Can anyone elaborate? I also read somewhere and pardon me I do not remember where, but someone had posted that they were not installing I/S anymore? It was on yahoo,fb, or here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningThreads Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 Curious.....slightly off topic I have been told that there really is no need to put I/S if you have I/Q. Can anyone elaborate? I also read somewhere and pardon me I do not remember where, but someone had posted that they were not installing I/S anymore? It was on yahoo,fb, or here. The machine is run in unregulated mode when using the I/Q unlike some of the other computerized systems. However the stitch regulator is nice to have when hand guiding. My understanding is there is only the one in studio installer left for the I/S and he covers the west coast. A couple of months ago someone near me was told they could have I/S if they shipped their head to Intellistitch. Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimerickson Posted February 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I'm not sure, but since the Ult2 doesn't have the needle up/down, or the single stitch feature, I think that's required for the I/Q. Now since they change the motor to a Groschopp, maybe the I/Q installation includes the single stitch up grade. You really need to talk to someone at Kasa Engineering. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningThreads Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Jim You are right. You need the single stitch. Mine had it so I ran the IQ for quite a while before the I/S was installed. Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 The machine is run in unregulated mode when using the I/Q unlike some of the other computerized systems. However the stitch regulator is nice to have when hand guiding. My understanding is there is only the one in studio installer left for the I/S and he covers the west coast. A couple of months ago someone near me was told they could have I/S if they shipped their head to Intellistitch. Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Nigel and others thank you for responses. I am actively communicating with a couple re: purchasing I/Q. The latest is.... Because I have ULT II it does not have a definite single stitch button...that I will also in addition need I/S regulator OR I/S needle positioner. So I am opting to go with the IQ +IS. I am a very happy person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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