meg_marsh Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Hi everyone I am talking to an individual about selling my machine. It is a long distance sale. Situation - she does not want to pay in full prior to seeing machine - I hate to send everything off without payment in full. I know many of you have sold machines & some of those sales I am sure were similar to what I am confronting. Do any of you have a solution that would be good for both parties. Brainstorming would be good right now. I want to sell & I think she would like my machine. thanks.... Meg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennan100 Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Meg, Do not ship your machine under any circumstances without payment in full. If she's not sure she can look at pictures and read your posts here where you've talked about how great the machine is and how much you love it. If she's not happy with that then she should buy new. There are scammers that get the machine and disapppear with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuliaDay Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 don't do it. Find a different alternative. You could use an escrow person to hold the cash until the sale is complete. Most escrow companies would charge a small fee. You could use a lawyer or bank. check into it good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyLake Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Is there an APQS Dealer in your area that the buyer could pay to check over the machine and give an opinion (no guarantees)? Just a thought. You might want to give Heidi Kaisand, the APQS Sales Director a call or email to pick her brain too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsbishwit Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 I agree DO NOT SHIP until PAID in FULL. No business APQS or any other long arm machine companies allow partial payment before shipping or any other place like E-bay etc...if this person wants your machine or any machine than they need to pay in full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newellyn Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Have her pay in full with the agreement that if she is not totally satisfied she can ship it back (all shipping is her expense) and you will refund the money. You can have a document notarized or have an attorney or paralegal put it together. Charge her the fees for doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvrchota Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 don't do it... you might tell her that it's best for her to find another seller closer to her... as for your machine, another buyer will come along... anyone that knows longarm machines knows that it's all mechanical... and anything that is mechanical can be fixed... well... that's what my mechanic husband tell me anyway..and so far, it's been true...and i agree with the others above about other options... HOWEVER... even if she sends you a check or money order, be wary... lots of scams out there using that ploy as well... sounds like she doesn't quite trust YOU... well... if i were you, i'd turn that wariness around and be sure you check HER out thoroughly... maybe she can contact a dealer in her area and that dealer can speak to the dealer in your area... i can't even believe someone even suggested making a partial payment and then expecting you to trust her for the rest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witha'K'quilting Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Something to think about also...Cashier's Checks/Momey Orders are not certified funds according to my bank. They can still have Stop Payments placed on them. Just a word of caution! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbm Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Just to step in on the buyer's side of this whole thing: sending $15k to someone you don't know, in liquid funds, in the hopes that they will send you a working machine, is a lot to trust. On Ebay, there's a process for "sanctioning" someone who doesn't follow through on their sale properly - we don't have the same process here. I guess both buyer and seller have to beware to a certain extent, and both have to find a way to trust the other, or the sale just won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtreusch Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Wow Meg. I feel for you. I would not ship off the machine without money in hand. Fortunately, the gal that is purchasing my machine will be coming to pick it up so I don't have to deal with the shipping issue. I hope it all works out for you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boni Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Even if she did send you the money up front and you send the machine, if she decides to send it back, there will be wear and tear in shipping that you may not want to happen. Risks, it's all a risk. I'd rather find someone local who can come see it in person and pick it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharon M Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 well said Barb! I was in this buyer's shoes several months ago. I have watched many awesome deals on used machines come and go, and in the end I decided to buy new, as I was not comfortable sending $15,000 to a total stranger and then waiting and hoping my machine would arrive in good condition, if at all. Perhaps if I had found a regular user of this forum (like Meg) who was selling, I would have been more inclined to buy used. All the machines I was interested in were posted by new users, and I didn't "know" them from this chat. Too stressful for me to risk all that money! It is a trust issue for both buyer and seller. I don't envy your decision, Meg. Most quilters are honest people. If I had to lay bets, I'd bet that this lady is probably an honest person, but there is always a risk. I hope you find a way to resolve this, and I wish you good luck with whatever you decide to do (and I'm sure if you don't sell to this lady, someone else will come along who will love your machine!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaggiS Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Meg, I'm in Canada and I bought my machine from Ohio. It isn't right of the buyer to expect you to ship it, unpaid/partial payment. Fortunately for us our seller met me in Minneapolis where, if totally unsatisfied, I could have refused. He was very honest and I ended up with a great deal. If your buyer is truly interested, she would do as Joan suggests. Everyone here is giving good advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffq-lar Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 I agree with all the good advice here. If you still want to go forward, find a mutually agreed-upon escrow entity to hold the money--peace of mind for you both. I will add--Meg's deal is so good. Her Milli has so many expensive add-ons, tools, pantos, toys, etc. Someone needs to snap this one up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meg_marsh Posted October 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Thank you for all your input. I agree with all that has been said. In the end, things might work out easier than I thought. Will let you all know as things progress. Kristina - thanks for the heads up on the cashier's check. Will have to figure that one out - will probably just stop by the bank and get their opinion as to how to handle. There is a 3rd party I may be able to use......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiltmonkey Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 One word: PayPal Or something similar to PayPal that is the middle transaction to guarantee that both parties are legit. Check into a guaranteed transaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 I agree with Shannon, PayPal works well to protect both the seller and buyer. I wouldn't send the machine without the full payment available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoryJM Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Kristina's right about the Cashier's checks. We flew to Detroit a few years ago to make a large purchase. We had a cashier's check, but we couldn't leave with our item until their bank called ours to verify that the funds were there and good. Hope it works out for you Meg; you're offering a terrific deal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lym95 Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 When making a large purchase like this, we use a "certified check". This is a check issued by the bank that guarantees that the funds are and will be there to cash the check. The only way to make sure that the seller is going to get paid. We use paypal for a lot of things as it offers a way to settle if neither party is happy with the transaction. Wish you well with your sale, Margie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malouquilt Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 A few years ago, I bought my first Bernina used from an individual in Utah. We used the escrow system of Paypal. She paid the fee associated with it (minimum charge). I put the money in the Paypal escrow account. She shipped the machine, insured, and I had five days to inspect the machine. During these five days, I could have notified Paypal of my rejection and, upon receipt of the machine by the seller, the funds would have been released back to me. Of course, all works well until there is a problem with the machine ie. damage in shipment etc... Then, it would be a real hassle to sort it out. Send me u2u if you need me to talk to her about the machine. Hope all works out for you. Marie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustSewSimple Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 I use PayPal. Hasn't failed me yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 A certified or cashiers check is not necessary a good way because they can be stolen or fraudulent. I use PayPal a lot and have never ha a problem. Meg if I can help you can call me I believe you have my cell#. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meg_marsh Posted October 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Thanks - went to PayPal and it looks like they take a percentage of the sale - Did I read this right??? The people I was talking to declined the deal - but should probably figure out this PayPal anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witha'K'quilting Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Paypal does cost the seller. I would try to find a buyer who lived closeby and could hand over cold hard cash! Cash never seems to go out of style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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