Resilient Quilter Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Hello Everyone! I have 13 packages of MR4 that will not work in my Freedom. They should work fine in the Ultimate 1 as they are from before Gros Beckert went through a change over. If anyone is interested in these, I'd like to pass them on to someone to use them up. I have $104.00 in these and would be happy to sell them for $50.00, plus shipping. Anyone interested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimerickson Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 I am not aware of any difference in needle application between a Freedom, and an Ult 1, or for that matter any APQS model. If they don't work in your machine, they won't work in mine. We need a more complete identification of the needle in order to know whether the needles will work. Thanks. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Jim, I'm old and my memory isn't great but wasn't there a problem with the early versions of Gros Beckert long arm needles right after Singer quit making long arm needles? I ever think there was an article on here about it but can't find it. I tried to do a search but couldn't find it. I agree we need more info on the needles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningThreads Posted September 18, 2018 Report Share Posted September 18, 2018 Connie i don’t remember the article but I did get some needles from APQS several years ago that were different even though the packaging was the same. I had skipped stitches with the new set but the machine worked perfectly if I used the old needles. I had to tighten up the hook to needle distance just the slightest amount and all has been well since. In theory as long as the needle system is the same any manufacturers needles should work in your machine just like your domestic. Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resilient Quilter Posted September 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Hi, I ordered these from Superior Threads less than 2 years ago. The label has a red bar across the top of the label. I will try to type this in exactly as the label reads. 776362 10 Nm 110/18 134MR 4.0 DP x5MR 1955 MR R B1K646 AE At the bottom right corner is that black box with all the funny lines for you to snap a photo on your phone and it takes you right to the product. I forget what those squares are called. I have this on good authority - talked with Karen McTavish and she said there was a changeover when the company was sold, and the needles are just a bit different. I had used these needles for years in my Ultimate 1, and for a long time in my stitch regulated Freedom. Its just this particular order of 13 packs that don't fit my machine and Karen said they must be the transition period needles during the company sale and changeover. I'm just trying to not lose my shirt here - if no one can use them, its a huge waste of needles. I'd even give them to someone if they want to give them a shot. I hate to throw away that many packages of needles, but I may just have to. I wouldn't be able to send them out for about 10 days as I have some stuff coming up where I won't be available for about a week. Thanks for you input! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 I understand and agree with you. Hopefully, someone can use the needles, it's a great price. I think it's been way over 2 years since the Singer/Gros Beckert transition. If you have Facebook, I would post your note there too. I love this forum best but there seems to be more followers on the "We love APQS Group". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resilient Quilter Posted September 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Thank you, I will do that when I am available again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srichardson Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Have you spoken to Superior? They usually stand behind what they sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimerickson Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 The only ID missing on the needles referenced is the SAN 11. I assume they are, and if that's the case, these are our standard long arm needles. I think years ago, some needles (SAN 7, I believe) got miss marked and were delivered to some folks in error. I think these needles were actually used in some of Nolting's early models. This needle is longer than the 134MR, and the scarf isn't as deep. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resilient Quilter Posted September 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2018 Hi, I am back now - you know, jimerickson, there is no SAN 11 on these packages. So, are you all saying I should contact Superior and see what they say? I find that very interesting. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimerickson Posted September 27, 2018 Report Share Posted September 27, 2018 The 134MR and the Singer 1955MR ID's indicate these are needles for our application, and fit all APQS and Gammill machines. The labeling seems to have simply left off the Special Application Needle designation. Anyone with one of these machines should be able to use these needles. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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