lmeimann Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Hi, we're installing my new Bliss system, have it completed, but what keeps the machine from rolling off of the back of the carriage? If I push Gracie all the way back, she comes off the carriage. The old carriage had a bolt to keep her from going off the back. Is there more than one size of carriage? I've read the directions multiple times but must be missing something? I'm sad because I'd hoped to finish a quilt this weekend. Thanks in advance--any help appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbm Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Liz, once you put the two back rollers (leveler and take up) on, the head won't roll off the carriage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmeimann Posted December 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Actually Barb, it does. Had my DH stand on the back side and if I push the head all the way back to the leveler bar the back drops right off the carriage. Did we reassemble something wrong? Everything looks like it did before--roller wise. This carriage is 8" shorter than my old carriage--should that be right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbm Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Liz, I'll have to go downstairs and measure carriages - don't have Bliss but Quilt Path came with the new carriage - but here's a thought: is it possible that you have the front and back ends of the carriage swapped? I have installed Bliss machines and helped with Bliss upgrades and never had a head run off the back.... You might want to re-post this in "APQS Help" - maybe Amy or Dawn will see it and chime in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beachside Quilter Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Liz: Check to see if the head axle is installed in the proper holes on the bottom of the head. The Bliss carriage uses a different set of holes than the old carriage. (Oops, meant to say carriage axles) Hope this helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmeimann Posted December 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Thanks, I'll check that. I wondered if there was a different sized carriage for the lenni and they gave me the wrong one? I'll go see if I can tell. Been playing on just the front of a practice piece--with a clamp on the rear of the carriage so she doesn't fall off and I'm loving it. Really, diagonals without a ruler, right on. This is crazy good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmeimann Posted December 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 So, there are 3 sets of holes in the bottom of milly, but if I use the forward and middle holes then the wheels will only be something like 4 inches apart. If I use the middle and rear holes I'm not sure that helps? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmeimann Posted December 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Hi, we're installing my new Bliss system, have it completed, but what keeps the machine from rolling off of the back of the carriage? If I push Gracie all the way back, she comes off the carriage. The old carriage had a bolt to keep her from going off the back. Is there more than one size of carriage? I've read the directions multiple times but must be missing something? I'm sad because I'd hoped to finish a quilt this weekend. Thanks in advance--any help appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathyh Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 I'm saving my $$ for Bliss- diagonals without a ruler!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busy Quilting Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 I have just measured my Millenium Bliss carriage and it is 38" from the front to the back. There is no plug or anything to stop it falling off the back . Whne I push the head all the way so that the needle bar touches the level roller there is 1/2" carriage behind the back wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borderline Quilter Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 On a Millie it can't roll of the end once your leveller bar is in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beachside Quilter Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Liz, On your new Bliss carriage,the front axle mounts to the set of holes farthest away from the carriage front. There is a photo showing this in your Bliss installation instructions. If you need further help, I can email the pages to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lmeimann Posted December 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Yes, that is the hole set they are bolted to. I'm at a loss, we've gone over and over the instructions and the carriage is just 2-3 inches short of me being able to push the head all the way back to the leveling bar. Would the carriage for a lenni be shorter and is it possible they gave me the wrong one? I really appreciate all the help from everyone. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepop Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Hi, we're installing my new Bliss system, have it completed, but what keeps the machine from rolling off of the back of the carriage? If I push Gracie all the way back, she comes off the carriage. The old carriage had a bolt to keep her from going off the back. Is there more than one size of carriage? I've read the directions multiple times but must be missing something? I'm sad because I'd hoped to finish a quilt this weekend. Thanks in advance--any help appreciated Hi I am new to this forum,but I have had my millie for 9 years now. I upgraded to the Bliss last year and my machine too kept rolling off the carriage. My dh drilled a small hole in the new bliss carriage and put a rubber coated bolt in the carriage, similar to the old system. That stops it from rolling off. I thought we had done something wrong too, but if you frame is machine is an oldie but a goodie it may be the same thing as mine. Hope this helps. Debbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmeimann Posted December 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Yay, I think we have resolved this. I noticed that I had a second hole on the bar the leveling bar is mounted on and I could scoot the leveling bar about an inch forward. This seems to be enough to keep Gracie on the carriage--the rear wheel ends on the edge but hopefully she will not be able to fall off while quilting. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and patience with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbm Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Liz, do call APQS Service on Monday morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawnCavanaugh Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Hi Liz, It sounds like I've come late to the party! I apologize that there was some confusion regarding your new Bliss. You did the right thing...on the older square leg tables, the leveler bar was situated in a different location because of the carriage style on older tables. Moving the leveler bar forward should prevent the machine from rolling off your new Bliss carriage. When the tables changed from square to round legs in the mid-2000's the leveler bar moved to a different location, and the carriage length changed. Your older carriage must have been of the vintage before that, when the carriage itself was much longer (and had a bumper on it). You will have a little less quilting space than before, and that's normal when converting the square-leg table to Bliss. Quilters with 4 rollers and square legs may lose a small bit, but those quilters whose very old tables never had a leveler bar (mine, for instance) will lose up to 6 inches of space. That's because the Bliss is designed to accommodate that leveler bar, and when it's not there, the machine can roll too far back and will indeed fall off the back of the table. Let me know if you have questions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beachside Quilter Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Great explanation, Dawn! Nice to know the tweaking needed on the older style table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apylinski Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 I can do diagonals without rulers? How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbm Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Great explanation, Dawn! Nice to know the tweaking needed on the older style table. Yes, thanks, Dawn!! Good to know that here - before we go to a customer site and put our feet in our mouth....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beachside Quilter Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 Good thoughts, Barb! When I saw Liz' signature was "2008 Millie" (same year as mine) I thought we were dealing with the same table frame! Good for us that Dawn chimed in!! WTG, Dawn! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmeimann Posted December 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 Thanks Dawn and everyone for the help. I was going to call tomorrow with questions and pictures --didn't see your post til now had a grandson birthday party and another grandson baptized this weekend so not much computer time. I think I lost about 2" on quilting space, but SO worth it. Bliss is fabulous. Finished a quilt I'd been dreading for some time as it had a lot of diagonal feathers on it. It was so worth the $$. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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