doodlebug Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 so, i'm quilting along and WHAM! these little loops happen...like once or twice a whole quilt... i've checked all the 'usual' suspects: tension, thread path, burrs, etc. i'm pretty positive that that's all good. like i said it only happens once or twice a whole quilt. i've changed out my needle and changed sizes, bobbin case, tightened my check spring, rethreaded the machine numerous times, played with the tension of the quilt sandwich, changed my needle screw...i'm stumped is this 'just the nature of the beast'? i've just been taking a pin and working the loops into the stitching before and after them... it also seems to happen more on some quilts than others...like batiks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiltmonkey Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 Is this happening on the bottom or the top? Most times when this happens to me it's either I just don't have my tension tight enough (top) or the other thought is as it's spooling off every once in a while the thread spools off in a weird way and this is the result. Maybe try tightening up just a smidge more. What I do to fix this is I cut a 3" piece of thread and loop it through, tie it in a square knot and bury the tail and you never see the loopy thingy ever again. buh bye loopie! :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiltlover03 Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 I am with Shana, I think it would be the way the thread spools of the top. Especially on slick threads like Polyester, try a net, it works for me. Looking forward what others have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meg Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 have you tried thread nets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doodlebug Posted October 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 top thread only...and when i go to work into the stitches, it will only go one way- it's like the top thread has a twist in it and the stitch 'locks' on the twist and the excess is the loopy... clear as mud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiltsinmotion Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 I was told that loops like this happen when I go to fast . I also had this happen yesterday while using Rainbows thread , my loop was on the bottom side . I will try Shana's way to bury loop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiltmonkey Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 Totally muddy but i grasp your concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sewcrazy4quilting Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 I recognize that poopy loopy!! I, like you have checked all the usual suspects. Seems to me it happens when I am in the zone and start speeding. *sigh* but it's just my best guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doodlebug Posted October 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 well, i'm am sorry it happens to others, but glad to hear i'm not the only one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delld Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 Happen to me too. Top and Bottom. King Tut!!! and Rainbows! Thread net seems to help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sspingler Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 I use a little square of warm and natural in the hook right above the cone, so when the thread comes off the cone weird, it keeps it as a steady pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birgitquilts Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 Shannon, This has happened to me since I have started longarming. And it has happened with any brand of thread I have used (mostly 3-ply threads). My explanation is that the thread gets untwisted occasionally on its way from the spool to the needle (due to speed, humidity, mood to act up, what have you) and sort of over-twists to form a knot that prevents the thread to form this one occasional stitch correctly.... I used to use the same trick Shana uses (take a length of thread, pull it through the loopy stitch and bury it). These days I use a self-threading needle... Works like a charm and is completely invisible. Birgit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doodlebug Posted October 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 sharon- i keep a wad of batting soaked with Sewer's Aid in that hook...i've not used a thread net before...i'll look into getting some and giving that a go... okay *knock on wood* this is what i think i did to 'fix' it.... first- i'm quilting my Sister's Choice block swap quilt- so it's batiks with a LQS quality batik backing and hobbs black batting...i think it's the batting causing the issue...i've always quilted batiks with a 3.5 needle and a looser than normal quilt sandwich in the frame...ssoooo, i changed to a bigger needle (4.0) and tigthened my top tension....so far, so good and my tension looks good (maxilock varigated on top, maxilock solid teal in bobbin) tension is a LAer's constant PITA companion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doodlebug Posted October 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 Originally posted by quiltmonkey What I do to fix this is I cut a 3" piece of thread and loop it through, tie it in a square knot and bury the tail and you never see the loopy thingy ever again. buh bye loopie! :cool: i'll give this a try....i also have that itty bitty crochet hook, i'll give that a try also... thank you banana-shana! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinneaMarie Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 I think Dawn addressed this in either her thread talk or the daily emails. I think she said it was the tighter woven fabrics...... make the needle skip or something? Guess I should look at that thread........again! Pun intended :P:P It happens to me, and Amy said one thing that will cause it is going to fast. It doesn't seem to matter what fabric I have in there, it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiltmonkey Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 Originally posted by doodlebug thank you banana-shana! You're welcome, doodle-bugger-wugger!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kusmaulk Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 This happened to me recently also, and I'm pretty sure I was speeding. I changed my needle, and it improved. It seemed to happen more when going over bulky seams. Like Shannon, I'm glad to know it's not just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anniemueller Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 It happens to me too. I usually ignore it unless it's obnoxious. I'll be trying Shanna's trick too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrna Ficken Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 Top Tension is too loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-Jane Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 Hi Shannon, I had this problem a while ago with a batik backing, I did like Shana said and got the net out and caught myself and slowed me down a little, the wadding in the guide loop above the spool also seems part of the cure. Take Care--Grasshopper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFQuilts Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 Shannon, I really don't think it's a tension issue - you checked out all of the usual suspects and you are such a champ at setting tension. Since you only have this problem on some batiks, I'm thinking it is some combination of batik fabric (high thread count) and batting that is causing you the grief. Good luck. To the others with suggestions on how to bury the loopies - thanks! Lynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonbon Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 HI doodlebuggerwuggersmuggerdugger Sometimes with batiks I have to spray the top with Sullivan's Silicone Spray. Helps the needle and thread glide through the tight weave of batiks. Good luck! BonBon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doodlebug Posted October 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 well, after talking to other quilters (*wave*) the general consensus is that the tighter weave of the batiks cause the needle to flex more than 'normal' thus causing the loopies. this was proven by me switching to a 3.0 needle and quilting a pass- i got tons more loopies...it's cause and effect...so to solve this, i have slowed down how fast i move the machine, i still get a loopy or two per pass, but it's better than what i was getting. also i have rubbed the batiks with a fresh dryer sheet to help 'lube' up the batiks to make them 'softer. that seemed to help as well....this quilt (queen sized) has a kona cotton black background that i am pebbling and i didn't get one single loopy the entire background which also lead 'us' to believe it was needle flex in the batiks... that's my theory and i'm sticking to it thanks to all who listened to my thread tail of woe, or would that be thread loop of woe also, thanks again ShanaBanana, your tip of how to bury them was very helpful... bonnie- i would of never thought to use silicone spary on the batiks themselves...i'll pick up a couple cans for the next one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbi Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 Yup, been there... I think it's Voo Doo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 I get 2 or 3 a quilt, every quilt. Any needle any thread, with and without nets. I just accept it as a feature. Ferret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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